Today, sort of on a whim I made my second pie ever. Another pumpkin pie. The filling is nice and quick; I can easily get it done during the 30 minute rest of the pie dough. I was much happier with this pie than the last one. However I'm still sort of struggling with the pie dough. I think I probably just need to be next to somebody as they put one together. You see, you sort of have to know when to stop adding water. Most novice pie makers add too much so I probably over compensate and add way too little. But I have no frame of reference, so I have no idea at all!